Question:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Death threat my ass !! What part of my statement consitutes a death > >> threat idiot. > >Learn to read. I said you better not be making a threat. I did not > >positively say that you were making a threat, but warning you against > >any such thing. > Now I’m curious. > Like I care.
You can admit that you care. > I have no interest in your sexual preferences > Then don’t ask — even rhetorically.
Why not? Are you threatening to take legal action against me also? Do you do this a lot? I mean, how many times a week do you threaten people with legal action? > and, in fact, > I’d prefer not to know if you are a homosexual. > I don’t really care what you’d prefer.
Are you fibbing? > Whatever the answer > to that question you knew he wasn’t threatening you. > I was making sure that he didn’t get out of line. His comment was over > the top and silly. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he isn’t > trying to make vague threats. I’m glad that he claims he wasn’t.
HAve you ever seen this site? http://www.plonk.com/ > You are just > using the issue to avoid coming up with a solid response to him. > Not so. I responded to his position adequately. It’s obvious that the > Davidians were not martyrs, nor where they hero or even victims. They > were people who performed criminal acts and the survivors were convicted > of criminal acts. The Davidians filed civil suit against the government > alleging all kinds of abuse and that suit was thrown out.
Ah, that proves everything then, doesn’t it. > The Davidians > were largely a bunch of religious whack jobs and many got what they > deserved.
"Got what they deserved" What are your thoughts on penal colonies, concentration camps, mass executions, performing scientific experiments on prisoners, … > The children might not have deserved to die, but > unfortunately they had parents stupid enough to follow David Koresh.
"the children might not have deserved to die" What do you think of genetic cleansing? If it could be shown that certain individuals are more likely to commit violent crimes than others would you support locking them up or killing them before they commit a crime? > At most I can fill a bit of pity for some of these folks, but they deserve > no respect or admiration for their poor life choices.
Why does this issue bother you so much? > >> You just proved yourself to be a nutjob. > >No, there is nothing wrong with warning you that your hateful language > >can expose you to criminal liability if you aren’t careful. > Kooks use cyberharrassment threats when they start to lose an > argument. Are you a kook? > No. Kooks are not the only ones who invoke legitimate cyberharrassment > laws. I did not press the issue further. Rather, I educated Mr. North > about how to talk to people so that he will not give the mistaken > impression of threatening anyone. That’s a good thing.
Did you know that Martha Stewart used to say that a lot. > >> Now go take your meds asshole. > >You’re projecting again. Unlike you, I don’t need any medicines. > Are you trying to harass him? > Nope. My actions are perfectly permissible. If I were a kook I’d be > complaining that his false claims about me bordered on being libelous. > But the fact is that I respect his right to state his opinion, > inaccurate though it may be. As long as he keeps his comments legal I > have no quarrel with him (except maybe about Waco).
You’d enjoy it if you were able to sick the law on him, wouldn’t you.
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Death threat my ass !! What part of my statement consitutes a death >> threat idiot. >Learn to read. I said you better not be making a threat. I did not >positively say that you were making a threat, but warning you against >any such thing. > Now I’m curious.
Like I care. > Are you a homosexual?
No. > BTW, that was a rhetorical question.
No it wasn’t. It was a very straightforward question which had no rhetorical value at all. > I have no interest in your sexual preferences
Then don’t ask — even rhetorically. > and, in fact, > I’d prefer not to know if you are a homosexual.
I don’t really care what you’d prefer. > Whatever the answer > to that question you knew he wasn’t threatening you.
I was making sure that he didn’t get out of line. His comment was over the top and silly. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that he isn’t trying to make vague threats. I’m glad that he claims he wasn’t. > You are just > using the issue to avoid coming up with a solid response to him.
Not so. I responded to his position adequately. It’s obvious that the Davidians were not martyrs, nor where they hero or even victims. They were people who performed criminal acts and the survivors were convicted of criminal acts. The Davidians filed civil suit against the government alleging all kinds of abuse and that suit was thrown out. The Davidians were largely a bunch of religious whack jobs and many got what they deserved. The children might not have deserved to die, but unfortunately they had parents stupid enough to follow David Koresh. At most I can fill a bit of pity for some of these folks, but they deserve no respect or admiration for their poor life choices. >> You just proved yourself to be a nutjob. >No, there is nothing wrong with warning you that your hateful language >can expose you to criminal liability if you aren’t careful. > Kooks use cyberharrassment threats when they start to lose an > argument. Are you a kook?
No. Kooks are not the only ones who invoke legitimate cyberharrassment laws. I did not press the issue further. Rather, I educated Mr. North about how to talk to people so that he will not give the mistaken impression of threatening anyone. That’s a good thing. >> Now go take your meds asshole. >You’re projecting again. Unlike you, I don’t need any medicines. > Are you trying to harass him?
Nope. My actions are perfectly permissible. If I were a kook I’d be complaining that his false claims about me bordered on being libelous. But the fact is that I respect his right to state his opinion, inaccurate though it may be. As long as he keeps his comments legal I have no quarrel with him (except maybe about Waco). — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
> Death threat my ass !! What part of my statement consitutes a death > threat idiot.
Learn to read. I said you better not be making a threat. I did not positively say that you were making a threat, but warning you against any such thing. > You just proved yourself to be a nutjob.
No, there is nothing wrong with warning you that your hateful language can expose you to criminal liability if you aren’t careful. > Now go take your meds asshole.
You’re projecting again. Unlike you, I don’t need any medicines. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
Bye-bye, asshole. PLONK — Remove "nospam" for e-mail
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> W e > A in’t > C oming > O ut. > We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. > I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those > right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime > scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site > anyway. > — > Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) > "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the > threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ > disease, and many others, but I think a case can be > made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, > comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to > eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> What terrorist acts did the Branch Davidians commit? > >(1) Machine gunned several federal officers. > Wrong >Not wrong. For federal officers died. Davidians were convicted.
A number of those officers shot each other and in one case..themselves. Tornado rounds were used, and those were the ones that managed to penetrate the raid vests. Davidians were NOT convicted of murder. Think hard before you try to weasel out of this one. > >(2) Threatened citizens with attack by their paramilitary forces. > Wrong >Demonstrate otherwise or retract.
Provide cites. > >(3) Believed to have executed members of their own group who defected. > Wrong > >(4) Held children as hostages, refusing to release them and thereby > >causing their deaths. > Wrong >It’s an undisputable fact that they could have let children go but did >not. It was clear that Koresh was using them for cover.
They did indeed let children go. Anyone who wanted to leave was allowed to do so. A number did. Therefore your argument is deeply flawed. > >(5) Illegally modified a number of firearms without license to function > >in fully automatic mode. > Wrong, not proven in court. >It was established beyond a reasonable doubt by the FBI report. The >judge made a technical mistake in his sentencing, but the information is >part of the court record. Here’s a report by the Treasury Department. >http://usgovinfo.about.com/blwacoguns.htm?once=true&
Why were none of those weapons available to expert outside witnesses? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >(6) Proven beyond all doubt to have committed mass murder and suicide by > >pouring accelerants around their own compound and setting it ablaze, > >rather than surrendering. > Wrong. >Then offer the counter evidence. >At best some people have questioned whether the davidians really >intended to burn themselves alive or if they just had a really stupid >plan. However, they still did end up killing themselves and other >members in the compound appear to have been executed by gunshot. So >both murder and suicide charges are well supported by the evidence.
Its very possible that a number of Davidians were killed by automatic weapons fire by the Delta teams stationed at the back of the building. One should note that at no time were the weapons held by the FBI/ATF etc tested for ballistic matches in the victims, both FBI/ATF/Davidian. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> What evidence do > >> you have that they planned to make war on the American people? > >Koresh and others from the compound made threats against other citizens. > >These were some of the bases upon which the BATF was called to > >intervene. It was precisely because it was believed that the Davidians > >were heavily armed with illegal weapons that the Firearms control agents > >were sent rather than just child welfare. > Wrong again. Child welfare had been there less than a month before and > had given them a clean bill of health. The BATF was there to enforce > what they though was a $200 tax stamp issue. >LOL! Is that why they brought an 80 vehicle convoy and planned the raid >for several months with 76 agents? Get some better lies. >http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/6679/6679.ch01.html
Better lies than yours? Lets try some facts instead. http://i2i.org/SuptDocs/Waco/warrant.htm http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/libe214-20030310-07.html – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> You are silly > >Nope. I just refuse to glorify a bunch of militant lunatics who did > >everything in their power to earn their fate. I know the actual details > >about the Davidians, rather than the right wing myths spread by > >fundamentalists and militia fanatics. > Based on your above claims, you know nothing. Even the court records > refute your spew. >They certainly do not. It’s rather obvious that you don’t know shit >about these legal documents.
Been there, done that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I find this rather interesting. >OTOH, I find your stupidity rather boring. > >> and a quick review of your posts indicates that you are > >> also very angry. > >Actually I don’t give a rat’s ass about the davidians anymore. The only > >thing that makes me angry is when morons try to make them out to be > >martyrs. > So..how long have you or a member of your family worked for the BATF? >How about never.
Really? You sure sound like an appologist or someone with a bad case of guilt/denial > Or is your denial of the actual facts >I’ve given you the actual fact and it’s you who is in denial.
Spin on your part is not fact. > simply based on ignorance, >You appear to be projecting your own shortcomings on me.
Snicker…. > rather than guilt and ass covering? >I have no guilt about the matter because I have no involvement in it.
Then why do you lie and spin like you do? Gunner No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil? Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren’t abolishing violence, they’re begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that, and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make it work. – L. Neil Smith
Response:
> >> What terrorist acts did the Branch Davidians commit? >(1) Machine gunned several federal officers. > Wrong
Not wrong. For federal officers died. Davidians were convicted. >(2) Threatened citizens with attack by their paramilitary forces. > Wrong
Demonstrate otherwise or retract. >(3) Believed to have executed members of their own group who defected. > Wrong >(4) Held children as hostages, refusing to release them and thereby >causing their deaths. > Wrong
It’s an undisputable fact that they could have let children go but did not. It was clear that Koresh was using them for cover. >(5) Illegally modified a number of firearms without license to function >in fully automatic mode. > Wrong, not proven in court.
It was established beyond a reasonable doubt by the FBI report. The judge made a technical mistake in his sentencing, but the information is part of the court record. Here’s a report by the Treasury Department. http://usgovinfo.about.com/blwacoguns.htm?once=true& >(6) Proven beyond all doubt to have committed mass murder and suicide by >pouring accelerants around their own compound and setting it ablaze, >rather than surrendering. > Wrong.
Then offer the counter evidence. At best some people have questioned whether the davidians really intended to burn themselves alive or if they just had a really stupid plan. However, they still did end up killing themselves and other members in the compound appear to have been executed by gunshot. So both murder and suicide charges are well supported by the evidence. >> What evidence do >> you have that they planned to make war on the American people? >Koresh and others from the compound made threats against other citizens. >These were some of the bases upon which the BATF was called to >intervene. It was precisely because it was believed that the Davidians >were heavily armed with illegal weapons that the Firearms control agents >were sent rather than just child welfare. > Wrong again. Child welfare had been there less than a month before and > had given them a clean bill of health. The BATF was there to enforce > what they though was a $200 tax stamp issue.
LOL! Is that why they brought an 80 vehicle convoy and planned the raid for several months with 76 agents? Get some better lies. http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/6679/6679.ch01.html >> You are silly >Nope. I just refuse to glorify a bunch of militant lunatics who did >everything in their power to earn their fate. I know the actual details >about the Davidians, rather than the right wing myths spread by >fundamentalists and militia fanatics. > Based on your above claims, you know nothing. Even the court records > refute your spew.
They certainly do not. It’s rather obvious that you don’t know shit about these legal documents. > I find this rather interesting.
OTOH, I find your stupidity rather boring. >> and a quick review of your posts indicates that you are >> also very angry. >Actually I don’t give a rat’s ass about the davidians anymore. The only >thing that makes me angry is when morons try to make them out to be >martyrs. > So..how long have you or a member of your family worked for the BATF?
How about never. > Or is your denial of the actual facts
I’ve given you the actual fact and it’s you who is in denial. > simply based on ignorance,
You appear to be projecting your own shortcomings on me. > rather than guilt and ass covering?
I have no guilt about the matter because I have no involvement in it. > "The American political system is like a gigantic Mexican Christmas fiesta. > Each political party is a huge pinata — a papier-mache donkey, for example. > The donkey is filled with full employment, low interest rates, affordable housing, > comprehensive medical benefits, a balanced budge and other goodies. > The American voter is blindfoled and given a stick. The voter then swings > the stick wildly in every direction, trying to hit a political candidate > on the head and knock some sense into the silly bastard." – P.J. O’Rourke,
P.J. O’Rourke is a moron who fails to understand the most elementary issues about a constitutional democracy. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> said: > >> >> W e > >> >> A in’t > >> >> C oming > >> >> O ut. > >> >> We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. > >> >I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those > >> >right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime > >> >scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site > >> >anyway. > >> You missed a good chance since the feds destroyed their crime > >> scene in just a few days. > >Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the > >Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds > >of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the > >intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They > >should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead > >of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh > >was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from > >getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved. > So you are saying that if I kill you and your homosexual left wing > boyfriend, that would not be a crime ? >Since none of your premises are correct it’s hardly important. However, >you better not be making a death threat over the internet.
Death threat my ass !! What part of my statement consitutes a death threat idiot. You just proved yourself to be a nutjob. Now go take your meds asshole. n.
Response:
>If you took five seconds of trouble you could find these yourself. Here >is a partial inventory of what they had: >http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html
Rather than someones blog..how about citing the actual trial documents? its a bit less…questionable that way….snicker. Btw…you are aware that the they were an FFL gun dealer, and made the "Have a complaint? Take a number" grenade on a sign novelties sold far and wide, are you not? I should also mention that of your "list" only several items were illegal to own, and oddly enough..those items have been unavailable for independant outside witnesses to verify their actual composition and construction. Lets look at some other bits, shall we? http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/waco.questions.html http://www.daft.com/~rab/liberty/misc/davidians960104.html http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/waco.tausch.html One is reminded of the statement of the Jury Foreperson at the end of the first trial,,, "After the verdicts were announced on June 17, 1994, jury forewoman Sarah Bain went on a number of radio talk shows to protest Judge Smith’s actions in the case. Bain told one reporter, "The federal government was absolutely out of control there. We spoke in the jury room about the fact that the wrong people were on trial, that it should have been the ones that planned the raid and orchestrated it and insisted on carrying out this plan who should have been on trial." Hummmm your not that wonk that used to post as Son Of ATF, are you? Gunner "The American political system is like a gigantic Mexican Christmas fiesta. Each political party is a huge pinata — a papier-mache donkey, for example. The donkey is filled with full employment, low interest rates, affordable housing, comprehensive medical benefits, a balanced budge and other goodies. The American voter is blindfoled and given a stick. The voter then swings the stick wildly in every direction, trying to hit a political candidate on the head and knock some sense into the silly bastard." – P.J. O’Rourke, "Parliament of Whores"
Response:
said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> said: > >> >> W e > >> >> A in’t > >> >> C oming > >> >> O ut. > >> >> We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. > >> >I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those > >> >right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime > >> >scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site > >> >anyway. > >> You missed a good chance since the feds destroyed their crime > >> scene in just a few days. > >Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the > >Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds > >of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the > >intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They > >should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead > >of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh > >was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from > >getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved. > So you are saying that if I kill you and your homosexual left wing > boyfriend, that would not be a crime ? >Since none of your premises are correct it’s hardly important. However, >you better not be making a death threat over the internet. > Also I’d like a cite for the machine guns that they ‘had’ . >If you took five seconds of trouble you could find these yourself. Here >is a partial inventory of what they had: >http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html >19 SGW CAR-AR assault submachine guns (three fitted with silencers), >nine other silencers
They were never proven to be full auto. >8 hand grenades and at least 31 other grenade parts and fragments, more >than 20 pieces and fragments of rockets (apparently used to make rocket- >propelled grenades) along with 1 sight for a rocket-propelled grenade >launcher. >3 Israeli-made IMI Galil assault rifles
Prefectly legal. >10 Ruger Mini-14 assault rifles (one with a mounted scope)
perfectly legal >A barrel for a M60 machine gun
perfectly legal >1 30 mm rocket shell
perfectly legal as long as the propellant has been removed. >9 FAL assault rifles (three mounted on bipods)
perfectly legal >At least 54 AK-47 or AKS assault rifles (some converted to fully >automatic submachine guns)
never proven to be full auto other than that, perfectly legal. >11 .12-gauge shotguns (one with a sawed-off barrel) >Dozens of pistols
perfectly legal >Dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons
perfectly legal >Gas masks and one chemical warfare suit
perfectly legal >Several Kevlar tactical vests and other body armor and eight Kevlar >helmets.
perfectly legal >Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, >which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who >believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal >conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of >crude "grease guns."
it is perfectly legal to own machine tools and in fact it is perfectly legal to build a homemade machine gun, all parts must be homemade. And BTW "who believed" is not proof they were doing anything illegal. > BTW, its prefectly legal to hoard as much ammo as one wants. >It depends upon what type of "ammo" and who is doing the hoarding.
the only persons who may not own ammo are convicted felons
Response:
- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Between the days of February 28, 1993 and April 19th, 1993, called Branch > Davidians. > http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ > http://serendipity.magnet.ch/waco.html > On April 19, 1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, > Oklahoma was bombed, causing extensive damage to the structure, the loss of 168 > innocent lives, the victimization of the families of those who lost loved ones, > hundreds of non-fatal injuries, and substantial property damage in the > vicinity. The media and the Executive branch reported that the sole source of > the devastation was a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of ammonium > nitrate, transported to the location in a Ryder Truck and parked in front of > the building. It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have > resulted from such a bomb alone. > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm > caveat lector > Halcitron misc.survivalism alt.survival > "Failing to prepare…. Is preparing to fail." > NRA Member since 2002 > The Law of the Land, is the weapon in your hand. > Smith & Wesson starts where the Bill of Rights stop.
The great deception continues. May god save us all.
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Between the days of February 28, 1993 and April 19th, 1993, called Branch > Davidians. > http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ > http://serendipity.magnet.ch/waco.html > On April 19, 1995, the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Oklahoma City, > Oklahoma was bombed, causing extensive damage to the structure, the loss of 168 > innocent lives, the victimization of the families of those who lost loved ones, > hundreds of non-fatal injuries, and substantial property damage in the > vicinity. The media and the Executive branch reported that the sole source of > the devastation was a single truck bomb consisting of 4,800 pounds of ammonium > nitrate, transported to the location in a Ryder Truck and parked in front of > the building. It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have > resulted from such a bomb alone. > http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm > caveat lector > Halcitron misc.survivalism alt.survival > "Failing to prepare…. Is preparing to fail." > NRA Member since 2002 > The Law of the Land, is the weapon in your hand. > Smith & Wesson starts where the Bill of Rights stop. >The great deception continues. >May god save us all.
Take your medicine
Response:
W e A in’t C oming O ut. We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. — Richard A. Macdonald, CPA/EA SSG (Ret), USA, ADA, 16P34
Response:
> W e > A in’t > C oming > O ut. > We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood.
I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site anyway. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
> Take your medicine
That will solve part of his problem, but it won’t fix the fact that he is terminally stupid and an ignoramus. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> W e >> A in’t >> C oming >> O ut. >> We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. >I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those >right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime >scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site >anyway. > You missed a good chance since the feds destroyed their crime > scene in just a few days.
Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
ah, but the paranoid delusionists will try to tell you they were an innocent group of christians attending a prayer meeting and the government was trying to supress there subversive ideas <grin> — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the > Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds > of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the > intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They > should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead > of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh > was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from > getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved. > — > Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) > "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the > threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ > disease, and many others, but I think a case can be > made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, > comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to > eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
said: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> W e > >> A in’t > >> C oming > >> O ut. > >> We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. > >I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those > >right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime > >scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site > >anyway. > You missed a good chance since the feds destroyed their crime > scene in just a few days. >Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the >Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds >of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the >intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They >should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead >of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh >was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from >getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved.
So you are saying that if I kill you and your homosexual left wing boyfriend, that would not be a crime ? Also I’d like a cite for the machine guns that they ‘had’ . BTW, its prefectly legal to hoard as much ammo as one wants. n.
Response:
> What terrorist acts did the Branch Davidians commit?
(1) Machine gunned several federal officers. (2) Threatened citizens with attack by their paramilitary forces. (3) Believed to have executed members of their own group who defected. (4) Held children as hostages, refusing to release them and thereby causing their deaths. (5) Illegally modified a number of firearms without license to function in fully automatic mode. (6) Proven beyond all doubt to have committed mass murder and suicide by pouring accelerants around their own compound and setting it ablaze, rather than surrendering. > What evidence do > you have that they planned to make war on the American people?
Koresh and others from the compound made threats against other citizens. These were some of the bases upon which the BATF was called to intervene. It was precisely because it was believed that the Davidians were heavily armed with illegal weapons that the Firearms control agents were sent rather than just child welfare. > You are silly
Nope. I just refuse to glorify a bunch of militant lunatics who did everything in their power to earn their fate. I know the actual details about the Davidians, rather than the right wing myths spread by fundamentalists and militia fanatics. > and a quick review of your posts indicates that you are > also very angry.
Actually I don’t give a rat’s ass about the davidians anymore. The only thing that makes me angry is when morons try to make them out to be martyrs. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > said: >> >> W e >> >> A in’t >> >> C oming >> >> O ut. >> >> We could almost see the smoke from Ft Hood. >> >I wanted to go down there and roast marshmellows over the ashes of those >> >right wing fundy terrorists. But I figured that it was still a crime >> >scene so they probably wouldn’t let me get that close to the site >> >anyway. >> You missed a good chance since the feds destroyed their crime >> scene in just a few days. >Since when was it a crime to kill right-wing terrorist assholes like the >Branch Davidians who shot federal agents, were hoarding a million rounds >of ammunition, possessed illegal machine guns and expressed the >intention of treasonously making war on the american people. They >should have shot those fuckers down like dogs on the first day, instead >of waiting 51. It was only due to the fact that terrorist David Koresh >was holding women and children as hostages which prevented him from >getting immediately blasted into oblivion like he deserved. > So you are saying that if I kill you and your homosexual left wing > boyfriend, that would not be a crime ?
Since none of your premises are correct it’s hardly important. However, you better not be making a death threat over the internet. > Also I’d like a cite for the machine guns that they ‘had’ .
If you took five seconds of trouble you could find these yourself. Here is a partial inventory of what they had: http://www.culteducation.com/waco.html 19 SGW CAR-AR assault submachine guns (three fitted with silencers), nine other silencers 8 hand grenades and at least 31 other grenade parts and fragments, more than 20 pieces and fragments of rockets (apparently used to make rocket- propelled grenades) along with 1 sight for a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. 3 Israeli-made IMI Galil assault rifles 10 Ruger Mini-14 assault rifles (one with a mounted scope) A barrel for a M60 machine gun 1 30 mm rocket shell 9 FAL assault rifles (three mounted on bipods) At least 54 AK-47 or AKS assault rifles (some converted to fully automatic submachine guns) 11 .12-gauge shotguns (one with a sawed-off barrel) Dozens of pistols Dozens of barrels for M-16s, AR-15s and other weapons Gas masks and one chemical warfare suit Several Kevlar tactical vests and other body armor and eight Kevlar helmets. Also found were lathes, milling equipment and other tooling machinery, which essentially substantiated the suspicions of authorities, who believed that Koresh and the Davidians were engaged in the illegal conversion of assault rifles to automatic weapons and the manufacture of crude "grease guns." > BTW, its prefectly legal to hoard as much ammo as one wants.
It depends upon what type of "ammo" and who is doing the hoarding. — Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com) "It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, ‘mad cow’ disease, and many others, but I think a case can be made that faith is one of the world’s great evils, comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to eradicate." – Richard Dawkins
Response:
>> What terrorist acts did the Branch Davidians commit? >(1) Machine gunned several federal officers.
Wrong >(2) Threatened citizens with attack by their paramilitary forces.
Wrong >(3) Believed to have executed members of their own group who defected.
Wrong >(4) Held children as hostages, refusing to release them and thereby >causing their deaths.
Wrong >(5) Illegally modified a number of firearms without license to function >in fully automatic mode.
Wrong, not proven in court. >(6) Proven beyond all doubt to have committed mass murder and suicide by >pouring accelerants around their own compound and setting it ablaze, >rather than surrendering.
Wrong. > What evidence do > you have that they planned to make war on the American people? >Koresh and others from the compound made threats against other citizens. >These were some of the bases upon which the BATF was called to >intervene. It was precisely because it was believed that the Davidians >were heavily armed with illegal weapons that the Firearms control agents >were sent rather than just child welfare.
Wrong again. Child welfare had been there less than a month before and had given them a clean bill of health. The BATF was there to enforce what they though was a $200 tax stamp issue. > You are silly >Nope. I just refuse to glorify a bunch of militant lunatics who did >everything in their power to earn their fate. I know the actual details >about the Davidians, rather than the right wing myths spread by >fundamentalists and militia fanatics.
Based on your above claims, you know nothing. Even the court records refute your spew. I find this rather interesting. > and a quick review of your posts indicates that you are > also very angry. >Actually I don’t give a rat’s ass about the davidians anymore. The only >thing that makes me angry is when morons try to make them out to be >martyrs.
So..how long have you or a member of your family worked for the BATF? Or is your denial of the actual facts simply based on ignorance, rather than guilt and ass covering? Gunner "The American political system is like a gigantic Mexican Christmas fiesta. Each political party is a huge pinata — a papier-mache donkey, for example. The donkey is filled with full employment, low interest rates, affordable housing, comprehensive medical benefits, a balanced budge and other goodies. The American voter is blindfoled and given a stick. The voter then swings the stick wildly in every direction, trying to hit a political candidate on the head and knock some sense into the silly bastard." – P.J. O’Rourke, "Parliament of Whores"
Response:
