Wind Turbine Business For Sale!!

Question:

 ….call 702-262-9463    ….  

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> ….call 702-262-9463    ….

Um, dude, when you’re selling windmills in one post, and supposedly the entire business in another, it might make your customers wonder about the warranty and service contract on the windmills . DJ

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> Um, dude, when you’re selling windmills in one post, and supposedly > the entire business in another, it might make your customers wonder > about the warranty and service contract on the windmills .

I would think it’s more likely a bad attempt at harassing the true owner of the phone number. Why? It is a contentless post. There is nothing in it but the phone number. It was posted by someone using webtv. Any serious business would have it’s own accounts since an ISP is so very cheap and you would need a domain name anyhow. The post was spammed to dozens, perhaps hundreds, of newsgroups and some of them included offensive topics. There actually is a renewable energy company at that phone number. http://www.alternativeenergysystemsinc.com/ Though, I’ll admit that it must not be a very successful company as the website is incomplete and a couple of years out of date. Anthony

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it’s webtv, what do you expect ….. and he’s trying to make folks think  it’s 4-8 cents / kWh …..

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ….call 702-262-9463    …. > Um, dude, when you’re selling windmills in one post, and supposedly > the entire business in another, it might make your customers wonder > about the warranty and service contract on the windmills . > DJ

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Quick Poll: Is over-unity, aka free energy, possible?

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The current physics model does not give room for a self sufficient over-unity device to exist. For example, if I told you about an idea for building a battery-like device that never ran out of power and that didn’t take energy from the sun or random RF noise (note that this doesn’t necessarily imply the creation of energy), the current physics model simply says that’s impossible. My question is this: How hard convinced are you that the current physics model has a 100% firm, factual base and that there is 0% possibility of   an over-unity device? Because, if there really is no way it could exist then people should stop wasting their time pushing science in that direction, right? Otherwise, if there is any possibility that today’s model has a flaw and really does permit the existence of an over-unity device, any possibility at all, we should pursue it, shouldn’t we?

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I, for one, am as convinced as can be that the conservation laws (which negate the possibility of over-unity devices) are valid. They aren’t called laws idly, you know. They are laws because no observation or experiment has ever found an exception. Gordon Richmond

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> The current physics model does not give room for a self sufficient > over-unity device to exist. For example, if I told you about an idea for > building a battery-like device that never ran out of power and that > didn’t take energy from the sun or random RF noise (note that this > doesn’t necessarily imply the creation of energy), the current physics > model simply says that’s impossible. > My question is this: How hard convinced are you that the current physics > model has a 100% firm, factual base and that there is 0% possibility of >  an over-unity device?

… People have been trying to disprove conservation of energy since they thought up the idea. Seems like a pretty solid law so far. Trying to get around it is probably pointless (though sometimes entertaining). This is one of those things where you can learn a lot from failing. This doesn’t mean that we should stop looking for unconventional energy sources. Fusion, for instance, is certainly not over-unity but it would be mighty useful. Superconductors aren’t an energy source but if we had versions that work at room temperature they would make things more efficient so less energy would be required. There is a lot of this kind of untapped potential out there. Anthony

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> The current physics model does not give room for a self sufficient > over-unity device to exist. For example, if I told you about an idea for > building a battery-like device that never ran out of power and that > didn’t take energy from the sun or random RF noise (note that this > doesn’t necessarily imply the creation of energy), the current physics > model simply says that’s impossible. > My question is this: How hard convinced are you that the current physics > model has a 100% firm, factual base and that there is 0% possibility of >   an over-unity device?

Not under current physical laws. But it’s possible to change physical laws. Many people beliving in free energy have a messed up memory of their past in other high tech civilizations. Their messe up memory creates the imagination, that it is easy to have it. In reality, it’s as easy as to built up a notebook 500 years ago. No problem in 500 years continouse technical development, but now complete impossible. — Roland M

running 3 phase motors on RE

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greetings all, I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it up") Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" Thanks, gene

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>greetings all, >I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor.

gene, What is an RE system? Regards, John Phillips

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>>I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. > What is an RE system?

RE = Renewable Energy. The three main limits to an RE system are 1) maximum instantaneous power required, 2) maximum kilowatt-hours required per day (week,year,etc), 3) financial resources. The first two are certainly available but not exactly cheap. The last is strictly up to you. I believe most folks who run shops out in the woods wind up using a diesel generator when they want to work the big tools and the wind, pv, hydro is reserved for everything else. If you use biodiesel you can at least give a nod to making it renewable. Anthony

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >>feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. > What is an RE system? > RE = Renewable Energy. > The three main limits to an RE system are 1) maximum instantaneous power > required, 2) maximum kilowatt-hours required per day (week,year,etc), > 3) financial resources. > The first two are certainly available but not exactly cheap. The last > is strictly up to you. I believe most folks who run shops out in the > woods wind up using a diesel generator when they want to work the big > tools and the wind, pv, hydro is reserved for everything else. If you > use biodiesel you can at least give a nod to making it renewable. > Anthony

Thanks. I guess the question really is whether the inverters on the market are able to produce 3 phase, or, if not, if a phase converter is a type of load that would give an inverter fits. I know that those big motors draw a lot of current on start up, hence the 240 or 480V. The time the motor would actually be running is probably less than 2 or 3 hours/day, but it will be started and stopped probably 100-300 times in 6-8 hours. I assume the easiest way to provide such large peak surge currents would be to use a grid tied system, and just hope to offset my usage with it; but it costs a ton to have 3 phase brought in by the utility, so I hoped an inverter would be able to produce the 3ph without using a converter (which is just a motor connected to a generator, pretty inefficient.) Are big motors like electric heating, in that theyre something that’s just not practical in an RE situation? Gene

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >greetings all, >I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. >this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a >house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it >up") >Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I >mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a >single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? >I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah >you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" >or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" >Thanks, >gene

Do a google search of the rec.crafts.metalworking group for "variable frequency drive" or VFD. These units can take in single phase, and output three phase. (input and output voltage will be the same) VFDs are used all the time in home shops to run three phase motors. A 7.5 hp unit would probably cost about $600.  Here’s a supplier I often see recommended http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/AC_Drives_-z-_M… A transformer might also be required. One of the advantages of using a VFD is that you can program it for slow start, lessening the startup surge. My guess is that a VFD would run off a pair of large Xantrex SWs. You’d want to get that answer directly from Xantrex though http://www.xantrex.com/index.asp  They might even have a better solution. The question must have come up before. FWIW, we run all our normal loads (some big ones), *and* the startup surge of a 4hp air compressor, at the same time at our off-grid place. If you need a guinea pig to find out about adding 3 phase shop motors, just ship me a 2 hp VFD… I’ll change out my table saw motor, test the combination, and send you a nice report. Wayne

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The three main limits to an RE system are 1) maximum instantaneous power > required, 2) maximum kilowatt-hours required per day (week,year,etc), > 3) financial resources. > The first two are certainly available but not exactly cheap. The last > is strictly up to you. I believe most folks who run shops out in the > woods wind up using a diesel generator when they want to work the big > tools and the wind, pv, hydro is reserved for everything else. If you > use biodiesel you can at least give a nod to making it renewable. > Anthony >Thanks. I guess the question really is whether the inverters on the market >are able to produce 3 phase, or, if not, if a phase converter is a type of >load that would give an inverter fits. >I know that those big motors draw a lot of current on start up, hence the >240 or 480V. >The time the motor would actually be running is probably less than 2 or 3 >hours/day, but it will be started and stopped probably 100-300 times in 6-8 >hours. >I assume the easiest way to provide such large peak surge currents would be >to use a grid tied system, and just hope to offset my usage with it; but it >costs a ton to have 3 phase brought in by the utility, so I hoped an >inverter would be able to produce the 3ph without using a converter (which >is just a motor connected to a generator, pretty inefficient.) >Are big motors like electric heating, in that theyre something that’s just >not practical in an RE situation?

Probably the most economical solution is to replace the three phase motor with a single phase motor. From an efficiency standpoint, the use of an mg set would be better than using a three phase inverter in a grid tied situation. The mg set would be a 240 volt single phase motor driving a 480 volt three phase generator. The starting currents on motors approach 10 times full load current. Regards, John Phillips

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->greetings all, >I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. >this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a >house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it >up") >Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I >mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a >single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? >I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah >you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" >or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" >Thanks, >gene > Do a google search of the rec.crafts.metalworking group for "variable > frequency drive" or VFD. These units can take in single phase, and > output three phase. (input and output voltage will be the same) VFDs > are used all the time in home shops to run three phase motors. A 7.5 > hp unit would probably cost about $600.  Here’s a supplier I often see > recommended > http://web2.automationdirect.com/adc/Shopping/Catalog/AC_Drives_-z-_M… > A transformer might also be required. One of the advantages of using a > VFD is that you can program it for slow start, lessening the startup > surge. > My guess is that a VFD would run off a pair of large Xantrex SWs. > You’d want to get that answer directly from Xantrex though > http://www.xantrex.com/index.asp  They might even have a better > solution. The question must have come up before. > FWIW, we run all our normal loads (some big ones), *and* the startup > surge of a 4hp air compressor, at the same time at our off-grid place. > If you need a guinea pig to find out about adding 3 phase shop motors, > just ship me a 2 hp VFD… I’ll change out my table saw motor, test > the combination, and send you a nice report. > Wayne

Wayne, I’ve seen you over at R.C.M., right? Thanks for the info. It’s relieving to hear that someone *is* running big motors off grid already. The VFD is in the mail, you should have it on monday. Gene

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Talk to Rainbow Power Company in Australia. They sell 3 phase back to the grid. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> greetings all, > I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is > feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. > this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a > house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it > up") > Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I > mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a > single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? > I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah > you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" > or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" > Thanks, > gene

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>I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is >feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor.

IIRC you can hook up 3 (or 6, or 9) Outback inverters and get 3 phase. But the VFD is probably easier and gives you speed control, too. — Cats, Coffee, Chocolate…vices to live by

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>Wayne, >I’ve seen you over at R.C.M., right?

Yup. >Thanks for the info. It’s relieving to hear that someone *is* running big >motors off grid already.

Big loads (within reason) aren’t difficult, especially if they’re only on for short periods. It’s all the little sneaky ones, like the idle load of big inverters that you have to watch out for. >The VFD is in the mail, you should have it on monday.

When we first moved off-grid, we rented an extra large PO box to handle all the tool catalogues. Suppliers have cut back on paper in favor of Internet though, so that big box has been wasted the last few years…. until now.  ;-) Wayne

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You might try a CEDARBURG Rotary converter.  It passes the 240v legs through to the motor and creates the third leg.  I just installed a 3HP model at work and it runs great.  The unit is fused with 15A fuses.  This one has a spinning armature coil but they have smaller ones with just stationary coils & caps. 3HP model costs about $700

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> greetings all, > I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is > feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. > this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a > house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it > up") > Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I > mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a > single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? > I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah > you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" > or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" > Thanks, > gene

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Your best bet is to get a diesel generator for running such a large electrical load. No RE system I am aware of is even remotely economical in comparison.  Nor is it as reliable (what do you do on a cloudy day when you want to run your machine?).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> greetings all, > I wondered if producing 3 phase (240 or 480V) power with a RE system is > feasible or even possible. I would have to run at most a 7.5 HP motor. > this is not for a current use, just ideas for the future. (when I buy a > house I’ll be building a small machine shop, and will need to "lectric it > up") > Is a motor that big just too much for a sensibly sized RE system, by which I > mean most likely grid tied PV, not hydro, small enough to install on a > single family home in the city. (Portland, OR)? > I know there are tons of variables, I just hope for a fairly simple "yeah > you can do that for not too much $", or "yeah, but it’ll be real expensive" > or even "nope, cant do that, not ever, not no how" > Thanks, > gene

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amazing new fuel efficiency frequency technology

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one of the best efficiency products available www.burnless.com www.signup.burnless.com

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SCAM!!!!! — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> one of the best efficiency products available > www.burnless.com > www.signup.burnless.com

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why do you say scam ?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> SCAM!!!!! > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > one of the best efficiency products available > www.burnless.com > www.signup.burnless.com

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SCAM: "Purposely distorting the truth in order to get someone else to part with something of value. Scams can be small or large operations involving few or many people. " — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why do you say scam ? > SCAM!!!!! > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > > one of the best efficiency products available > > www.burnless.com > > www.signup.burnless.com

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> why do you say scam ?

     Well, your site won’t load on my machine, but every such device I have seen so far in my lifetime has been worthless crap, usually sold with a hearty helping of junk science.  And even if it were not a scam, it is certainly spam and I don’t buy from spammers, and I don’t know why anybody would. Vaughn

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I looked at the site, it’s both Spam and Scam, and it’s not even canned. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why do you say scam ? >      Well, your site won’t load on my machine, but every such device I have seen > so far in my lifetime has been worthless crap, usually sold with a hearty > helping of junk science.  And even if it were not a scam, it is certainly spam > and I don’t buy from spammers, and I don’t know why anybody would. > Vaughn

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genny runtime meter?

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What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter. Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous motor that plugs into the output circuit?

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> What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter. > Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous motor that plugs into > the output circuit?

I found a 12 volt runtime meter at a local auto/marine parts store and wired it through a 120V AC relay from Radio Shack.  Total cost was less than $30.

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> What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter.

I bought a 12 VDC digital version with its own internal crystal for $5 at the Perkiomenville flea market. Digilog sells something like this for $20, pn 267-1027-ND. >Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous >motor that plugs into the output circuit?

…with counters that look like auto odometers. More like $1 at flea markets. H&R (800) 848-8110 sells ‘em for $9.95 as pn TM93MET2549. Nick

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I saw one at the sears hardware store yesterday.  I think it was $20-25.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter. > I bought a 12 VDC digital version with its own internal > crystal for $5 at the Perkiomenville flea market. Digilog > sells something like this for $20, pn 267-1027-ND. >Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous >motor that plugs into the output circuit? > …with counters that look like auto odometers. More like > $1 at flea markets. H&R (800) 848-8110 sells ‘em for > $9.95 as pn TM93MET2549. > Nick

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> What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter. > Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous motor that plugs into > the output circuit?

Northern tool has one that goes on  a 4 cycle engine.

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>What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter.

http://www.mayberrys.com/yamaha/generators/accessories.htm (they had another brand that did everything (time, tach, maintenance notifications) when they carried Honda generators, but now it looks like they’ve gone over to Yamaha exclusively. >Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous motor that plugs into >the output circuit?

That’s one way, the little boxes clamp over the spark lead and have their own clock and battery — William Smith ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com

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I had a bunch of 120vac mechanical "odometer" style hour meters around at one time. got them years ago from a catalog called polypak or some such thing in a grab bag for $5. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What’s a cheap source of a runtime meter. > http://www.mayberrys.com/yamaha/generators/accessories.htm (they had > another brand that did everything (time, tach, maintenance > notifications) when they carried Honda generators, but now it looks > like they’ve gone over to Yamaha exclusively. >Is it typically a counter run by a 120V synchronous motor that plugs into >the output circuit? > That’s one way, the little boxes clamp over the spark lead and have > their own clock and battery > — > William Smith > ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com

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and how do you spell SPAM? <<spam message snipped>>

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At least it was the right flavor ….. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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Used Motor oil diesel engine

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Is there any diesel engine that will run on used motor oil?

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All will if you dont want them to last

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> Is there any diesel engine that will run on used motor oil?

you run into Fed and State Clean Air rules doing that becausse of the metals content among other things. Steam engine are legal to do that,in most states and reqires buying a permit.Additioally ,you if you buy it  have be in large enorgh volumes for an oilchanger to use you exclusively…600+ gallons a week at .10 to .25 cents a gallon taxfree,almost.You have a tank permit that you have to pay which averages out to a tax. After you figure in the permit price your light plant expense is more like .35 a gallon.

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Why not use used vegetable oil. You’ll live longer, and so will the engine. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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Vegetable oil would be the worst ting to do it has none of the properties of modern oil. want to Void a warranty fast use veg oil.

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> Vegetable oil would be the worst ting to do it has none of the > properties of modern oil. want to Void a warranty fast use veg oil.

and another WebTv’er chimes in without a clue of what the thread was about……. Hey Dufus, we are talking about the fuel side of the engine, not the oil in the crankcase.  The fuel only lubricates the fuel side of injector pump.  Yes, you can cut your Used, Filtered, Crankcase Oil with anything from Veggie Oil on down to #2 Diesel and your diesel will run just fine.   me          who has many hours of genset time on mixed fuel

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I have over 70k miles on my diesel using veg oil for fuel. Warranties are not violated unless it’s a fuel related claim, and they can prove the veggie oil caused the damage. Maybe you were thinking lubricating oil instead of fuel as per the thread? We have experimented with veggie oil based lubricants as well as fuel, with some success. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Vegetable oil would be the worst ting to do it has none of the > properties of modern oil. want to Void a warranty fast use veg oil.

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See pics of my new off grid home!

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http://www.green-trust.org PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking for money.

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If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a stick of gum.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking > for money. > http://www.green-trust.org > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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One time, Steve claimed/bragged to be making in the six figure  annual salary bracket in his computer business.  Seems he should be a whole lot better off and not be on the skids the day after being laid off.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer > "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because > we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well > as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a > stick of gum. > This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > > http://www.green-trust.org > > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > > — > > Steve Spence > > Renewable energy and sustainable living > > http://www.green-trust.org > > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > > powered diesels at > > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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gum to help pay for my Medicare. thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer > "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because > we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well > as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a > stick of gum. > This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > > http://www.green-trust.org > > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > > — > > Steve Spence > > Renewable energy and sustainable living > > http://www.green-trust.org > > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > > powered diesels at > > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Steve and Linda need your help! In the past I have asked for donations to Green Trust for renewable energy projects, but I’ve never asked for us personally. Now I need to. They say trouble comes in three’s, and I’m starting to believe it. http://www.green-trust.org/ Can you say mail fraud?

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> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking > for money.

He’s a "Reverend" nuff’ said. The Duck

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Who’s a "Reverend"? I’m an IT guy, who has had a run of bad luck, and fortunately, friends and neighbors (even the virtual ones) have come to our aid. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > He’s a "Reverend" nuff’ said. > The Duck

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Mail fraud is when you promise something and don’t deliver. We are legit, and have given a method for checking up on us. Can you say "compassion"? — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve and Linda need your help! > In the past I have asked for donations to Green Trust for renewable energy > projects, but I’ve never asked for us personally. Now I need to. They say > trouble comes in three’s, and I’m starting to believe it. > http://www.green-trust.org/ > Can you say mail fraud? > http://www.green-trust.org > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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http://www.green-trust.org PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking for money.

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If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a stick of gum.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking > for money. > http://www.green-trust.org > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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One time, Steve claimed/bragged to be making in the six figure  annual salary bracket in his computer business.  Seems he should be a whole lot better off and not be on the skids the day after being laid off.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer > "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because > we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well > as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a > stick of gum. > This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > > http://www.green-trust.org > > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > > — > > Steve Spence > > Renewable energy and sustainable living > > http://www.green-trust.org > > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > > powered diesels at > > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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gum to help pay for my Medicare. thanks

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If you can call three kids, no job and a wife with possible breat cancer > "more".  I’m retired, my wife is retired and we both work part time because > we can’t make it on $40k a year retirement.  I don’t see how he does as well > as he does.  Post your PalPal address and I’ll send you a dollar to buy a > stick of gum. > This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > > http://www.green-trust.org > > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > > — > > Steve Spence > > Renewable energy and sustainable living > > http://www.green-trust.org > > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > > powered diesels at > > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 100,000 Newsgroups – 19 Different Servers! =—–

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Steve and Linda need your help! In the past I have asked for donations to Green Trust for renewable energy projects, but I’ve never asked for us personally. Now I need to. They say trouble comes in three’s, and I’m starting to believe it. http://www.green-trust.org/ Can you say mail fraud?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://www.green-trust.org > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net asking > for money.

He’s a "Reverend" nuff’ said. The Duck

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Who’s a "Reverend"? I’m an IT guy, who has had a run of bad luck, and fortunately, friends and neighbors (even the virtual ones) have come to our aid. — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This guy has alot more than I have and  he  has post all over the net > asking > for money. > He’s a "Reverend" nuff’ said. > The Duck

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Mail fraud is when you promise something and don’t deliver. We are legit, and have given a method for checking up on us. Can you say "compassion"? — Steve Spence Renewable energy and sustainable living http://www.green-trust.org Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel powered diesels at http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steve and Linda need your help! > In the past I have asked for donations to Green Trust for renewable energy > projects, but I’ve never asked for us personally. Now I need to. They say > trouble comes in three’s, and I’m starting to believe it. > http://www.green-trust.org/ > Can you say mail fraud? > http://www.green-trust.org > PV, Wind, Veggie oil fueled Cogen. > — > Steve Spence > Renewable energy and sustainable living > http://www.green-trust.org > Discuss vegetable oil and biodiesel > powered diesels at > http://www.veggievan.org/discuss/

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New Energy Proposal?

Question:

I think I have discovered  an endless supply of renewable energy fuel… Now if we can just find a way to burn human body fat !!!

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> I think I have discovered  an endless supply of renewable energy fuel… > Now if we can just find a way to burn human body fat !!!

Get a bicycle. No other transport technology will take you 20 miles on the energy in a bowl of porridge and a handfull of nuts. Of course, if the fat comes from eating meat then the equivilent mpg drops from 300 to around 30. It takes 0.4 gallons of oil to produce a pound of beef and 0.03 gallons to produce a pound of potatoes. Article at :- http://bicycleuniverse.info/cars/beef.html

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> I think I have discovered  an endless supply of renewable energy fuel… > Now if we can just find a way to burn human body fat !!!

     Pretty much the same idea Jonathan Swift had way back in 1729:  

Island Building Costs

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Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even remotely close on the Internet. Thanks, Gene Nix

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Million Dollars. Actually that is close. St. Francis Resort and Marine which is being built on Stocking Island off of Exuma will run close to that. Property was $400,000 plus stamp duty, real estate and legal fees, another $100,000, plus permits structures, dredging, and construction.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some > different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does > anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected > harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even > remotely close on the Internet. > Thanks, > Gene Nix

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Any one knows if the Bahamas would allow a private island owner to float materials over on a barge for building?  Or whom you could contact about renewable energy sources? Ex. Solar Roof Tiles, Wind Turbines, etc… Or anyone with particular knowledge with raising capital for resort type ventures? Thanks, Gene Nix – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Million Dollars. Actually that is close. St. Francis Resort and Marine which > is being built on Stocking Island off of Exuma will run close to that. > Property was $400,000 plus stamp duty, real estate and legal fees, another > $100,000, plus permits structures, dredging, and construction. > Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some > different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does > anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected > harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even > remotely close on the Internet. > Thanks, > Gene Nix

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Gene, What you are asking is a long process. I have worked for a Solar Company, Lawyers and as an Asst. to a Financial Advisor / Trustee of an Offshore Bank. Perhaps you should contact me via email, instead of on the Newsgroup. Dave

> Any one knows if the Bahamas would allow a private island owner to > float materials over on a barge for building?  Or whom you could > contact about renewable energy sources? Ex. Solar Roof Tiles, Wind > Turbines, etc… Or anyone with particular knowledge with raising > capital for resort type ventures? > Thanks, > Gene Nix

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Million Dollars. Actually that is close. St. Francis Resort and Marine which > is being built on Stocking Island off of Exuma will run close to that. > Property was $400,000 plus stamp duty, real estate and legal fees, another > $100,000, plus permits structures, dredging, and construction. > > Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some > > different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does > > anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected > > harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even > > remotely close on the Internet. > > Thanks, > > Gene Nix

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> Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some > different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does > anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected > harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even > remotely close on the Internet. > Thanks, > Gene Nix

Lots more information is required to answer that one, but it basically boils down to what locals are willing to charge for what you want done. If you make friends with them, they could charge "local" rates: higher than they’d charge their neighbors, but still friendly. Otherwise, they’ll ask/demand quite a bit more. Annoy them and you may not be able to get anyone for any money. Cistern storage is fairly usual on remote islands, so shouldn’t be that expensive. The locals aren’t on the net because they’re at most working on the next island over. The harbor’s the big item, I think. EPA (or whatever they call themselves locally) is likely to be an impediment. Most or all of the natural protected harbors have already been exploited; blasting a hole in the reef is frowned upon these days. The harbor implies a bit more than a single family unit. Creating a resort can be a political hot potato that could be your major problem. In the islands I consider responsible, you’ll have to enlist the aid of locals to get the project off the ground. In other words, I think your answers are likely only to be answered by your feet on the ground, and you talking to the locals, official and not. Making friends is a good thing as you’ll not know who the opinion leaders are at first. That 77 year old rummy at the end of the bar may be just the person you need to win over. — Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux (‘73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan’s Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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The EPA here locally is called the BEST Commission

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Sorry if this is in the wrong group.  I’ve been looking into some > different costs associated with purchasing a small island.  Does > anyone have any info on the actual costs of building a protected > harbor and freshwater storage?  I can’t seem to find anything even > remotely close on the Internet. > Thanks, > Gene Nix > Lots more information is required to answer that one, but it basically > boils down to what locals are willing to charge for what you want done. > If you make friends with them, they could charge "local" rates: higher > than they’d charge their neighbors, but still friendly. Otherwise, > they’ll ask/demand quite a bit more. Annoy them and you may not be able > to get anyone for any money. > Cistern storage is fairly usual on remote islands, so shouldn’t be that > expensive. The locals aren’t on the net because they’re at most working > on the next island over. > The harbor’s the big item, I think. EPA (or whatever they call > themselves locally) is likely to be an impediment. Most or all of the > natural protected harbors have already been exploited; blasting a hole > in the reef is frowned upon these days. > The harbor implies a bit more than a single family unit. Creating a > resort can be a political hot potato that could be your major problem. > In the islands I consider responsible, you’ll have to enlist the aid of > locals to get the project off the ground. > In other words, I think your answers are likely only to be answered by > your feet on the ground, and you talking to the locals, official and > not. Making friends is a good thing as you’ll not know who the opinion > leaders are at first. That 77 year old rummy at the end of the bar may > be just the person you need to win over. > — > Jere Lull > Xan-a-Deux (‘73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) > Xan’s Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html > Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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