Biomass buring up in Wyoming USA
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Just heard on NPR (National Public Radio) that 2300 acres of forest renewable biomass?) is burning up outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming USA… Tons upon tons of *crud* are being released into the air and water (Oh my God, global warming buzz word ) . Hmmmm, sounds similar to what fossil fuels puts out. The health risk cost of forest fires pollution is being subsidized by government and all the people. Big scandal going down here. Must be, has to be, a corporate conspiracy. Greed/corruption/price gouging? . Pollution knows no boundaries (heard this before?) . Hmmm, some (all?) types of renewable biomass fuel is harmful to the environment when burned and to the health of humans around the world. This is bad. Does this mean we should stop RE biomass research/development/useage? NO,,, Just means that shit happens and there will be forest fires and some pollution that mankind must put up with. Oh yes, the radio reported that ~400 homes were in jeopardy. Ahhh, too bad, some starter castle/ vacation homes/back to nature homes could go up in smoke and become *crud*.
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My 1999 wood stove puts out a lot less smoke per mass consumed than does a forest fire, especially once the tree has sacrificed its life and experienced solar dehumidification. Derek – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Just heard on NPR (National Public Radio) that 2300 acres of forest > renewable biomass?) is burning up outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming USA… > Tons upon tons of *crud* are being released into the air and water (Oh my > God, global warming buzz word ) . Hmmmm, sounds similar to what fossil > fuels puts out. The health risk cost of forest fires pollution is being > subsidized by government and all the people. Big scandal going down here. > Must be, has to be, a corporate conspiracy. Greed/corruption/price gouging? > . Pollution knows no boundaries (heard this before?) . Hmmm, some > (all?) types of renewable biomass fuel is harmful to the environment when > burned and to the health of humans around the world. This is bad. > Does this mean we should stop RE biomass research/development/useage? > NO,,, Just means that shit happens and there will be forest fires and some > pollution that mankind must put up with. > Oh yes, the radio reported that ~400 homes were in jeopardy. Ahhh, too bad, > some starter castle/ vacation homes/back to nature homes could go up in > smoke and become *crud*.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes >Just heard on NPR (National Public Radio) that 2300 acres of forest > renewable biomass?) is burning up outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming USA… >Tons upon tons of *crud* are being released into the air and water (Oh my >God, global warming buzz word ) . > There is, of course, the distinction between CO2 regularly cycled > through the atmosphere ( plants an animals turn to gas and then > back to plants and animals on time scales ~10-100 years), > and CO2 that has been locked up for a long time being > added to the atmosphere ( time scales from 10,000,000 to 100,000,000 > years). It’s a subtle distinction, and sometimes lost when trying to > make a political point
Still *crud* in the air. Agree, one cycles faster than the other… crud is crud and death is death… Difference is how one gets there. News report tonight stated the authorities believe the fire started in a public camp ground… Hmmm, both sources of pollution (Jackson forest fire and fossil fuel usage) are man caused. Then the conclusion could be that both pollution sources are/could be preventable. Given enough time and money, of course.
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>Just heard on NPR (National Public Radio) that 2300 acres of forest >renewable biomass?) is burning up outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming USA… >[silliness elided]
For details see the US National Interagency Fire Center http://www.nifc.gov/index.html <fwiw> -het — Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person. -UDHR:Article 3: http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/udhr.html H.E. Taylor http://www.autobahn.mb.ca/~het/
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>My 1999 wood stove puts out a lot less smoke per mass consumed than does a >forest fire, especially once the tree has sacrificed its life and >experienced solar dehumidification.
Is this dehumidification accelerated via a dedicated solar dehumidification structure 
or by means of the old fashioned woodpile?
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> My 1999 wood stove puts out a lot less smoke per mass consumed than does a > forest fire, especially once the tree has sacrificed its life and > experienced solar dehumidification.
True, but smoke is visible particle of partially burned matter. Less smoke, better the combustion cycle. Then there are the gasses, the silent killers. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Derek > Just heard on NPR (National Public Radio) that 2300 acres of forest > renewable biomass?) is burning up outside of Jackson Hole, Wyoming > USA… > Tons upon tons of *crud* are being released into the air and water (Oh my > God, global warming buzz word ) . Hmmmm, sounds similar to what fossil > fuels puts out. The health risk cost of forest fires pollution is being > subsidized by government and all the people. Big scandal going down here. > Must be, has to be, a corporate conspiracy. Greed/corruption/price > gouging? > . Pollution knows no boundaries (heard this before?) . Hmmm, some > (all?) types of renewable biomass fuel is harmful to the environment when > burned and to the health of humans around the world. This is bad. > Does this mean we should stop RE biomass research/development/useage? > NO,,, Just means that shit happens and there will be forest fires and > some > pollution that mankind must put up with. > Oh yes, the radio reported that ~400 homes were in jeopardy. Ahhh, too > bad, > some starter castle/ vacation homes/back to nature homes could go up in > smoke and become *crud*.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive: yes >Still *crud* in the air. Agree, one cycles faster than the other… crud is >crud and death is death… Difference is how one gets there. News report >tonight stated the authorities believe the fire started in a public camp >ground… Hmmm, both sources of pollution (Jackson forest fire and fossil >fuel usage) are man caused. Then the conclusion could be that both >pollution sources are/could be preventable. Given enough time and money, >of course. > My understanding is that Forest "managers" are in favor of burns these days. > It has to do with the mix of plants. You get one kind in a forest that’s > been around for a while, and another in a forest that’s been recently burned > I’m not sure you’d want to prevent all forest fires. I realize this means more crud > in the air. I think there is a second effect in the" prevention", the slow accumulation > of dead material. Not all of it rots. A portion just sits there, posing an opportunity for > an even worse forest fire ( and even more crud) at a later date
also some trees and plants require pine to reproduce. I think it was some kind of pine. It required the heat of the fire before the pine cone would open up. — -Lawrence LaBranche +-) I filter all Spam using http://www.spamcop.net My website http://www.capdiamont.com . Has our genealogy/ genealogy help, renewable energy links, and LDS links. Renewable Energy Faq for new users http://www.geocities.com/capdiamont/renewablefaq.html Renewable Energy links http://www.geocities.com/capdiamont/renewable.html Also has how to convert your lawn mower to electric.
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> > My understanding is that Forest "managers" are in favor of burns these > days. > It has to do with the mix of plants. You get one kind in a forest that’s > been around for a while, and another in a forest that’s been recently > burned.
True, and wildlife biology favors burns as well (in moderation, of course) . Burning older trees (that provide canopy cover to the ground) allows sunlight to reach the ground, where shrubs/grasses/berries and other eatable vegetation can grow for wildlife to feed upon… So, what is more important in the grand scheme of things, less crud in the air from manmade forest fires and global warming, or a more healthy forest and wildlife population, or the aesthetic beauty a mature forest provides to present day vacationing humans and hope it never burns? We can avoid some of the crud by planned harvestingof some of this timber by man,,,, but then it wouldn’t look beautiful to some city dwellers if you did that… > also some trees and plants require pine to reproduce. I think it was some > kind of pine. It required the heat of the fire before the pine cone would > open up.
Yeppeer..
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> Oh yes, the radio reported that ~400 homes were in jeopardy. Ahhh, too bad, > some starter castle/ vacation homes/back to nature homes could go up in > smoke and become *crud*.
"castle" is probably correct. I understand from the news last night that the fire is still burning close to a subdivision with median home price around $5million. The people evacuating were carrying out fine artwork… sdb — More guns means less crime. ISBN:0-226-49363-6 *** IWant: Song of the South video — any digital format *** Watch out for munged e-mail address. User should be sdbUse1 and host is at bigfoot.com Do NOT send me unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE)!
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> Oh yes, the radio reported that ~400 homes were in jeopardy. Ahhh, too bad, > some starter castle/ vacation homes/back to nature homes could go up in > smoke and become *crud*. > "castle" is probably correct. I understand from the news last night > that the fire is still burning close to a subdivision with median home > price around $5million. The people evacuating were carrying out fine > artwork…
Guns too! Thank goodness they have their priorities straight. <grin> Say, one official from the fire fighters said they would work just as hard to save a $25k home as a $250k home… Problem is, there are no $25k homes in Jackson or that subdivision and with what you posted, no $250k homes(in the subdivision) either. I wonder if a forest fire was threading my rent-a-shack, would the government fire fighters put as many slurry bombers in the air and ground troops on the ground to protect my household goods? <grin>
