New Book reveals Free Energy secrets
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> Does anyone know where I can get more information on something called > Salter’s Ducks??? It is a mechanical device designed in the > sixties/seventies to extract energy form ocean waves. I read about it > once in an article, and have never heard of it again. Does anybody > have information on this device.
I got all this info from page 334 of ‘Renewable Energy’ by Godfrey Boyle: The ‘Salter’ Duck was properly called the Edinburgh Duck (although the first name became the more popular form) and was named after the guy who conceived it, Professor Stephen Salter. As far as I can gather, it’s a cam-shaped device, linked parallel across several kilometers of water (in the final version). A demonstration model was tested in Loch Ness at some time. E-mail me with your fax number for a scan of the image I have 
Mark M a r k T h o r n t o n The Franklin Company Consultants (TFC) Ltd. Bournville, Birmingham, United Kingdom Tel: +44 121 459 4826 Fax: +44 121 459 8206 WWW: http://www.demon.co.uk/tfc
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Does anyone know where I can get more information on something called Salter’s Ducks??? It is a mechanical device designed in the sixties/seventies to extract energy form ocean waves. I read about it once in an article, and have never heard of it again. Does anybody have information on this device. B.T.
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> Does anyone know where I can get more information on something called > Salter’s Ducks??? It is a mechanical device designed in the > sixties/seventies to extract energy form ocean waves. I read about it > once in an article, and have never heard of it again. Does anybody > have information on this device. > B.T. Use the web search engines. Specifically, go to http://altavista.digital.com and enter the following search terms: +salter +"wave energy" (The plus sign means the Web page must have the item. The quote marks enclose a phrase.) You will get several pages, most of which appear to have information on Salter’s concept. I think that mechanical devices are mostly viewed as unlikely to succeed in extraction of wave energy. More promising are chamber devices, where water is forced by waves into a chamber of some sort, compressing air ahead of it that drives a turbine. One underlying problem, though, is that overall, the world’s waves don’t contain all that much energy compared to the total solar, geothermal, or wind potential. Same for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion. Tom Gray Director of Communications American Wind Energy Association PS Support renewable energy! Visit the Electronic Lobbyist For Renewable Energy Web Site: http://www.pic.net/~stevie2/pages/cemail.html Interested in energy and the environment? The free electronic edition of _Wind Energy Weekly_ reports on energy-related environmental issues, energy policy, and wind industry trade news. The electronic edition normally runs about 10kb in length. For a subscription, send me an e-mail request. Please include information on your position, organization, and reason for interest in the publication.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been asked why use Ammonia or Freon in an OTEC plant. The only >things I can think of is that they are less corrosive than using sea >water. A text book says that the use of ammonia reduces the efficiency >of the plant since the working temps of the ammonia vapor are 20 deg C >on the high temp side and 10 deg C on the low side. >Please email any clues to me at: > The reason that Ammonia or Freon are postulated for Ocean Thermal > Energy Conversion (OTEC) is that the heat source for this system > is generally at a temperature of less than 33 C or 95 F. (i.e. > far less than the boiling point of water.) For those of you > who are not familiar with this energy concept, the heat source is > ocean water from the surface of the ocean while the heat sink is > ocean water from the permanent isothermal layer of the ocean which > is normally at about 2-3 C or 36 F. > The heat conversion cycle still looks kind of like a steam plant, > but the working fluid must vaporize and condense with a much lower > temperature range. Ammonia and Freon are the two candidates that > meet the requirements. > Beacuse of the law as perceived by Carnot (and validated by several > generations of other thermo people) the maximum efficiency of > any heat engine is governed by the relationship Th-Tc/Tc where > Th is the high temp, Tc is the low temp and all temps are in > degrees absolute. Once you convert the above listed temps to > either K or R, you will find that the max efficency for an OTEC cycle > is significantly less than 10%. The pressures that are achievable > are also quite low, so you will find that pipes, turbines and pumps > required are very large. Since there is normally about 2000 feet > of water between the surface of the ocean and the permanent isothermal > layer, you will also find that the pipes need to be very long. > Since they are in the ocean, you will find that they need to be > resistent to NaCl attack. > All in all, it is no mystery why OTEC remains an interesting > textbook excercise in energy production and not a competitive energy > production system. > Rod Adams > (One of my energy conversion profs was Chiu Wu, who wrote a book on > the system.)
You both might be interested in a new text book out, published by the Wiley/UNESCO Series: Energy Engineering Learning Package. I’ve just reviewed it for our magazine (SunWorld) and the book is an excellent review of the technology. The book admits the low efficiency and large technical obstacles to OTEC, but identifies several sites where optimal conditions exist (usually island communities) and (and this was the real revelation for me) the other benefits that OTEC can provide: electricity generation, fresh water production, air-conditioning, refrigeration and aquaculture. I’m not a passionate defender of OTEC sytems, and I don’t work for Wiley, but I think it’s a bit harsh to dismiss the technology out-of-hand as a textbook exercise 
Mark M a r k T h o r n t o n The Franklin Company Consultants (TFC) Ltd. Bournville, Birmingham, United Kingdom Tel: +44 121 459 4826 Fax: +44 121 459 8206 WWW: http://www.demon.co.uk/tfc
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I have been asked why use Ammonia or Freon in an OTEC plant. The only things I can think of is that they are less corrosive than using sea water. A text book says that the use of ammonia reduces the efficiency of the plant since the working temps of the ammonia vapor are 20 deg C on the high temp side and 10 deg C on the low side. Please email any clues to me at:
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I am distributing this info for my friend, George M. I suggested that he take > all his notes and compile them into a useful text, so he did. The only catch was, > I had to do the footwork to let people know about it. He’s also a little paranoid > and cares about his everyday privacy much more than I. So, the burden falls on me > to talk to people. …snip… >This device has been reproduced by "basement scientists" and tinkerers >who all claim that it works! …snip… > The title of the book is: > "High Voltage and Free Energy Secrets" > The price is $15 (U.S. currency) > Orders outside the U.S. add $4 > Send order and payment to: >Send order and payment to: > J.R.S. > 934 State St. > Schenectady, NY 12307 > No personal checks, Please. Personal Checks will delay your order by several > weeks, at least, while the check clears.
Hmmmm….lessee here, a book on "Free Energy", written by a paranoid friend; Confirmed by "basement scientists"; $15.00 – no personal checks, please; no money-back guarantee if not satisfied mentioned (whatever that may be worth); Send payment to an address of three initials. Sounds like a way to get $15.00 to me.
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>I have been asked why use Ammonia or Freon in an OTEC plant. The only >things I can think of is that they are less corrosive than using sea >water. A text book says that the use of ammonia reduces the efficiency >of the plant since the working temps of the ammonia vapor are 20 deg C >on the high temp side and 10 deg C on the low side. >Please email any clues to me at:
The reason that Ammonia or Freon are postulated for Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC) is that the heat source for this system is generally at a temperature of less than 33 C or 95 F. (i.e. far less than the boiling point of water.) For those of you who are not familiar with this energy concept, the heat source is ocean water from the surface of the ocean while the heat sink is ocean water from the permanent isothermal layer of the ocean which is normally at about 2-3 C or 36 F. The heat conversion cycle still looks kind of like a steam plant, but the working fluid must vaporize and condense with a much lower temperature range. Ammonia and Freon are the two candidates that meet the requirements. Beacuse of the law as perceived by Carnot (and validated by several generations of other thermo people) the maximum efficiency of any heat engine is governed by the relationship Th-Tc/Tc where Th is the high temp, Tc is the low temp and all temps are in degrees absolute. Once you convert the above listed temps to either K or R, you will find that the max efficency for an OTEC cycle is significantly less than 10%. The pressures that are achievable are also quite low, so you will find that pipes, turbines and pumps required are very large. Since there is normally about 2000 feet of water between the surface of the ocean and the permanent isothermal layer, you will also find that the pipes need to be very long. Since they are in the ocean, you will find that they need to be resistent to NaCl attack. All in all, it is no mystery why OTEC remains an interesting textbook excercise in energy production and not a competitive energy production system. Rod Adams (One of my energy conversion profs was Chiu Wu, who wrote a book on the system.)
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I am distributing this info for my friend, George M. I suggested that he take all his notes and compile them into a useful text, so he did. The only catch was, I had to do the footwork to let people know about it. He’s also a little paranoid and cares about his everyday privacy much more than I. So, the burden falls on me to talk to people. Author George Moonhie has just finished a book that exposes the secrets of Free Energy production using High Voltage. His book will show you in plain english exactly how many of these devices actually function. Suprisingly, the secrets are all part of standard electrical theory. It’s just a matter of clearly defining some previously unclear definitions and combining them in a new way. The book includes a complete copy of patent for a device that was considered by it’s designer to be a free energy generator. This device has been reproduced by "basement scientists" and tinkerers who all claim that it works! Included are basic construction plans for the main components of this device so that anyone with a little mechinical skill could reproduce a similar device without much difficulty. Simple, informative experiments are shown that apparently confirm that free energy can be produced without undue complexity or "Rube Goldberg" tactics. These experiments use fairly common parts that you should be able to purchase in your local area. As a final note, you won’t find any "carrot on a stick" setups in the book. George wants to divulge completely, all the principles he’s learned in the free energy area. The information is not loaded with "fluff" information designed to get you to order the "complete" plans. The title of the book is: "High Voltage and Free Energy Secrets" The price is $15 (U.S. currency) Orders outside the U.S. add $4 Send order and payment to: J.R.S. 934 State St. Schenectady, NY 12307 No personal checks, Please. Personal Checks will delay your order by several weeks, at least, while the check clears. Orders can be placed with Cashiers check, Money Order or Cash. I don’t recommend cash orders simply because you have no documentation of payment after you mail your order to us. If you choose to send cash, please fold bills and tape them to a small 3" by 5" card so that they can’t be seen through the envelope. Inside continental U.S., orders should arrive within 15 working days after the day your order is postmarked. If, for any reason, you follow the above directions and you don’t receive your We check the mail at least 5 times a week, usually more. We promise not to sell your personal information (name address) to any mailing list companies. We don’t like piles of junk mail and we assume the same feelings exist in you also. Thankyou for your time. Sincerely,
