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Here it is folks…..this is why our sons and daughters are dying in a far off land. Quite simply, so that we can have access to a fuel that will very likely run out in their own lifetimes, and maybe some of ours. I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED to us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the *real* reason for the war. Gee….what do you think would happen, if we spent the combined resources of the war, on perfecting an alternate and renewable fuel, instead of spilling blood over the last few drops of oil? Hmmmmm???? And then, when the oil does run out, we’ve perfected the new technology, so we sell it to the world. Golly…..that’s pretty liberal thinking, eh? You idiots have no idea what is going on. Most of you never will, either. I pity you. (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own words. I’m out of here….) Secret US plans for Iraq’s oil The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq’s oil before the 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, BBC’s Newsnight has revealed. Two years ago today – when President George Bush announced US, British and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad – protesters claimed the US had a secret plan for Iraq’s oil once Saddam had been conquered. In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists". "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of American oil industry consultants. Insiders told Newsnight that planning began "within weeks" of Bush’s first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on the US. An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He described a State Department plan for a forced coup d’etat. Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. Secret sell-off plan The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all of Iraq’s oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq’s oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas. The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according to Robert Ebel. Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan’s "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that plans to sell off Iraq’s oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and British occupying forces. "Insurgents used this, saying, ‘Look, you’re losing your country, you’re losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to take you over and make your life miserable,’" said Mr Aljibury from his home near San Francisco. "We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built on the premise that privatisation is coming." Privatisation blocked by industry Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of Iraq’s oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme. Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: "There was to be no privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved." Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq’s oil fields. He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said America should have gone ahead with what he called a "no-brainer" decision. Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, "I would agree with that statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought about by someone with no brain." New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper’s Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James Baker Institute in Texas. Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government. View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com <http://www.gregpalast.com/opeconthemarch.html> Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state control of Iraq’s oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of Russia’s energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves. Ms Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would undermine Opec and the current high oil price: "I’m not sure that if I’m the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company." The former Shell oil boss agrees. In Houston, he told Newsnight: "Many neo conservatives are people who have certain ideological beliefs about markets, about democracy, about this, that and the other. International oil companies, without exception, are very pragmatic commercial organizations. They don’t have a theology." A State Department spokesman told Newsnight they intended "to provide all possibilities to the Oil Ministry of Iraq and advocate none". Greg Palast’s film – the result of a joint investigation by Newsnight and Harper’s Magazine – will be broadcast on Thursday, 17 March, 2005.
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> I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED to > us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the *real* > reason for the war.
The "Lie" about WMD`s has been debunked Ssoooooooooo many times. It`s sad seeing small minds trapped in their circle logic. > (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….)
Promises, promises. 1) For anyone that might be unaware, there are contengentcy plans at the Pentagon to attack virtually every nation on earth, and those are continually being updated. 2) If we were the puppet masters of the new government in Iraq, the results would have been much different. The Iraqi`s have spoken, and they, like us, will end up with the government of their choice. See ya, John
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Osama bin Pritchard posted the latest foilhat-kook Haliburton/Carlysle/Skull and Bones whackjob .edu horse-shit conspiracy theory and then made a promise he will not keep: >(P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own >words. I’m out of here….)
There, there. There, there. It’ll be all right, really it will. Here’s the crux of the matter, son. I’m sure you’ll understand, being all educated an’ everything… Wizard of Oz: Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have. But they have one thing you haven’t got: a diploma. Therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Universitartus Committiartum E Pluribus Unum, I hereby confer upon you the honorary degree of ThD. Scarecrow: ThD? Wizard of Oz: That’s… Doctor of Thinkology. I reckon that pretty much nails it. Lord Valve American "Some have brains, and some haven’t," Pooh says, "and there it is."
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>> I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED to > us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the *real* > reason for the war. >The "Lie" about WMD`s has been debunked Ssoooooooooo many times. It`s sad >seeing small minds trapped in their circle logic.
Are you saying the American people would have supported the invasion of Iraq without the WMD rationale presented by Dumber’nyuh and minions, or are you rerunning the "honest mistake" excuse? Either way, you’re screwed and rightly so. > (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….) >Promises, promises. >1) For anyone that might be unaware, there are contengentcy plans at the >Pentagon to attack virtually every nation on earth, and those are >continually being updated.
What a comforting thought — so many ways to screw things up already on the shelf… >2) If we were the puppet masters of the new government in Iraq, the results >would have been much different.
The election results were manipulated — the Sistani faction would have had a solid majority if not for counting irregularities by the Allawi/U.S.-dominated Election Commission, which forced the Shiites to deal with the Kurds. Stay tuned by all means! >The Iraqi`s have spoken, and they, like us, >will end up with the government of their choice.
Do you really believe that this administration would allow Iraq to have a Sh’aria-based constitution establishing a de-facto Islamic republic closely aligned with Shiite Iran to the east and a Shiite faction in Lebanon, Syria, and the Palestinian areas to the west, the folks known as "Hezbollah?" Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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It was interesting when it came out that Bush`s SAT`s were HIGHER than Kerry`s. He qualified for Fighter Aircraft. The testing for that requires VERY bright people and most do NOT qualify, and no matter what connections you have, you don`t get into Fighters unless you qualify. > "honest mistake" excuse? > Either way, you’re screwed > and rightly so.
1) It was only the belief of Russian, Italian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Israeli, British, and American Intel at that time, and more, and more stories are coming out by those that believe that WMD`s were there, and they were moved to Lebanon thru Syria. >1) For anyone that might be unaware, there are contengentcy plans at the >Pentagon to attack virtually every nation on earth, and those are >continually being updated. > What a comforting thought — > so many ways to screw things > up already on the shelf…
Whn the Pentagon plans the Left screams, but if the Military is caught with it`s pants down, the Left still screams. Either you want us to be prepared, or you want us to be victimized. Make up your mind… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->2) If we were the puppet masters of the new government in Iraq, the >results >would have been much different. > The election results were > manipulated — the Sistani > faction would have had a > solid majority if not for > counting irregularities by > the Allawi/U.S.-dominated > Election Commission, which > forced the Shiites to deal > with the Kurds. Stay > tuned by all means!
I will.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The Iraqi`s have spoken, and they, like us, >will end up with the government of their choice. > Do you really believe that > this administration would > allow Iraq to have a > Sh’aria-based constitution > establishing a de-facto > Islamic republic closely > aligned with Shiite Iran > to the east and a Shiite > faction in Lebanon, Syria, > and the Palestinian areas > to the west, the folks > known as "Hezbollah?"
Sistani`s already come out AGAINST turning Iraq into a Islamic Republic, but only time will tell… See ya, John
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> (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….)
good riddance! paul arizona
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It was interesting when it came out that Bush`s SAT`s were HIGHER than > Kerry`s. He qualified for Fighter Aircraft. The testing for that requires > VERY bright people and most do NOT qualify, and no matter what connections > you have, you don`t get into Fighters unless you qualify. > "honest mistake" excuse? > Either way, you’re screwed > and rightly so. > 1) It was only the belief of Russian, Italian, Jordanian, Egyptian, > Israeli, British, and American Intel at that time, and more, and more > stories are coming out by those that believe that WMD`s were there, and > they were moved to Lebanon thru Syria.
uh… it was also the very publicly stated belief of france and germany and italy and britain and virtually every other country in the world (with the exception of course of syria who is now holding those WMD’s) that there were WMD’s. i think i remember at the time, some of the liberals in this NG that were constantly announcing the impending doom of the american military at the hands of saddam’s WMD’s. lol, paul arizona
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>Osama bin Pritchard posted the latest foilhat-kook >Haliburton/Carlysle/Skull and Bones whackjob >.edu horse-shit conspiracy theory and then made >a promise he will not keep: >(P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless >you want to see your own words. I’m out of here….)
You should be able to relate to that: >Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps >For the last time -> >YOU LOST! GET OVER IT! >LV
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps YOU LOST. Get over it. You’ll continue to lose, too. Because that’s what losers do. Suffer. Lord Valve American The Repair Guy http://repairguy1993.netfirms.com/
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> 2) If we were the puppet masters of the new government in Iraq, the results > would have been much different. The Iraqi`s have spoken, and they, like us, > will end up with the government of their choice. > See ya, > John
Hi, Puppet master? Going back to history, S. Korea(S.M. Rhee), S. Vietnam(G. D. Diem), What happened in Chile? What happened in Nicaragua? Now what’s happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? Is your thinking brain working in good order? Hope majority Americans are not like you. Tony
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> I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED to > us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the *real* > reason for the war. > The "Lie" about WMD`s has been debunked Ssoooooooooo many times. It`s sad > seeing small minds trapped in their circle logic.
Making unfounded assertions again, John? Well, you can rest assured that I will call you on it. Support your claim or get another ear-boxing. What about those Bush lies? Found any time to address that thread again? __ Steve .
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> It was interesting when it came out that Bush`s SAT`s were HIGHER than > Kerry`s. He qualified for Fighter Aircraft. The testing for that requires > VERY bright people and most do NOT qualify, and no matter what connections > you have, you don`t get into Fighters unless you qualify.
So what? He’s been known to LIE, so why couldn’t he CHEAT? Let’s look at what you so glibly deleted: > Are you saying the American > people would have supported > the invasion of Iraq without > the WMD rationale presented > by Dumber’nyuh and minions, > or are you rerunning the > "honest mistake" excuse? > Either way, you’re screwed > and rightly so.
You really should address this one, John… I think it’s important. __ Steve .
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All true, plus the price of gasoline is at an all time – thanks George you fucknig idiot.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here it is folks…..this is why our sons and daughters are dying in a > far off land. Quite simply, so that we can have access to a fuel that > will very likely run out in their own lifetimes, and maybe some of ours. > I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED > to us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the > *real* reason for the war. > Gee….what do you think would happen, if we spent the combined > resources of the war, on perfecting an alternate and renewable fuel, > instead of spilling blood over the last few drops of oil? Hmmmmm???? > And then, when the oil does run out, we’ve perfected the new technology, > so we sell it to the world. > Golly…..that’s pretty liberal thinking, eh? > You idiots have no idea what is going on. Most of you never will, either. > I pity you. > (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….) > Secret US plans for Iraq’s oil > The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq’s oil before the > 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, > BBC’s Newsnight has revealed. > Two years ago today – when President George Bush announced US, British > and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad – protesters claimed the > US had a secret plan for Iraq’s oil once Saddam had been conquered. > In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy > war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a > combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists". > "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight > from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of > American oil industry consultants. > Insiders told Newsnight that planning began "within weeks" of Bush’s > first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on > the US. > An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part > in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He > described a State Department plan for a forced coup d’etat. > Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential > successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. > Secret sell-off plan > The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted > just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all > of Iraq’s oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives > intent on using Iraq’s oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive > increases in production above Opec quotas. > The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London > headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according > to Robert Ebel. > Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center > for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he > flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. > Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan’s "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that > plans to sell off Iraq’s oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing > Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and > British occupying forces. > "Insurgents used this, saying, ‘Look, you’re losing your country, you’re > losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to > take you over and make your life miserable,’" said Mr Aljibury from his > home near San Francisco. > "We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built > on the premise that privatisation is coming." > Privatisation blocked by industry > Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of > Iraq’s oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, > stalled the sell-off scheme. > Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation > chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: "There was to be no > privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved." > Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight > that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq’s oil fields. > He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said > America should have gone ahead with what he called a "no-brainer" decision. > Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, "I would agree with that > statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought > about by someone with no brain." > New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper’s > Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of > a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was > completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James > Baker Institute in Texas. > Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing > Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government. > View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com > <http://www.gregpalast.com/opeconthemarch.html> > Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state > control of Iraq’s oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of > Russia’s energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet > Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves. > Ms Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would > undermine Opec and the current high oil price: "I’m not sure that if I’m > the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, > I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company." > The former Shell oil boss agrees. In Houston, he told Newsnight: "Many > neo conservatives are people who have certain ideological beliefs about > markets, about democracy, about this, that and the other. International > oil companies, without exception, are very pragmatic commercial > organizations. They don’t have a theology." > A State Department spokesman told Newsnight they intended "to provide > all possibilities to the Oil Ministry of Iraq and advocate none". > Greg Palast’s film – the result of a joint investigation by Newsnight > and Harper’s Magazine – will be broadcast on Thursday, 17 March, 2005.
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> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft.
The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, isn’t it? Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than John Kerry. But we’ll never know.
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>It was interesting when it came out that Bush`s SAT`s were HIGHER than >Kerry`s. He qualified for Fighter Aircraft. The testing for that requires >VERY bright people and most do NOT qualify, and no matter what connections >you have, you don`t get into Fighters unless you qualify.
He *barely* qualified — and I’ve known enough marginally intelligent military pilots not to be impressed by someone of Dumber’nyuh’s mediocre calibre. More to the point, he got his Air Guard posting and his pricey, taxpayer-funded, wasted F-102 training by being bumped ahead of more qualified applicants. Kerry, whatever his flaws, played by the rules and even requested hazardous duty. > "honest mistake" excuse? > Either way, you’re screwed > and rightly so. >1) It was only the belief of Russian, Italian, Jordanian, Egyptian, Israeli, >British, and American Intel at that time, and more, and more stories are >coming out by those that believe that WMD`s were there, and they were moved >to Lebanon thru Syria.
No it wasn’t — it was a widely held *suspicion* of *some* intell people in all those countries. Only Dumber’nyuh and Toady Blair hyped up that very dubious suspicion into an imminent threat worthy of large-scale military intervention. >>1) For anyone that might be unaware, there are contengentcy plans at the >>Pentagon to attack virtually every nation on earth, and those are >>continually being updated. > What a comforting thought — > so many ways to screw things > up already on the shelf… >Whn the Pentagon plans the Left screams, but if the Military is caught with >it`s pants down, the Left still screams. Either you want us to be prepared, >or you want us to be victimized. Make up your mind…
If Iraq is an example of what’s on the shelf, there’s plenty to scream about — we’ve spent over 1,500 American lives and ruined many times that many to replace a toothless paper tiger of a hostile regime with a thinly veiled Shiite theocracy with close ties to people that are *far* more actively associated with terrorism than Saddam Hussein ever was. One can only hope that the current ongoing and bloody failure of American "planning" isn’t typical! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>2) If we were the puppet masters of the new government in Iraq, the >>results >>would have been much different. > The election results were > manipulated — the Sistani > faction would have had a > solid majority if not for > counting irregularities by > the Allawi/U.S.-dominated > Election Commission, which > forced the Shiites to deal > with the Kurds. Stay > tuned by all means! >I will.. >>The Iraqi`s have spoken, and they, like us, >>will end up with the government of their choice. > Do you really believe that > this administration would > allow Iraq to have a > Sh’aria-based constitution > establishing a de-facto > Islamic republic closely > aligned with Shiite Iran > to the east and a Shiite > faction in Lebanon, Syria, > and the Palestinian areas > to the west, the folks > known as "Hezbollah?" >Sistani`s already come out AGAINST turning Iraq into a Islamic Republic, >but only time will tell…
Sistani is an astute operator — he won’t repeat Khomeini’s error of formally establishing the senior Shhite clergy as a government entity. He’ll use the time-tested method employed by powerful clergymen in the west: the "power behind the throne" approach. The Islamic Republic of Iraq will never be named as such, but it will enforce Sha’aria whenever practicable and it will have friendly relations with a defiantly nuclear Iraq and with an unrepentantly violent Hezbollah, and it will not be well disposed toward U.S. interests in the region. Such is the price of arrogance, ineptitude, and cultural ignorance: American blood and treasure poured onto the ancient sands of Mesopotamia for no good reason and with no good result even remotely in sight. >See ya, >John
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> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. > The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, > isn’t it? > Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than > John Kerry. But we’ll never know.
JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to open THAT up again. paul arizona
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> (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….)
Yeah, right, again.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. > The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, > isn’t it? > Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than > John Kerry. But we’ll never know. >JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to >open THAT up again.
The U.S. Navy disagrees, after years of false accusations Kerry’s medals are still his. End of story. Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. > The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, > isn’t it? > Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than > John Kerry. But we’ll never know. > JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to > open THAT up again.
More bald-faced assertions. Lies, actually. Here’s a quote, and a link: " But in terms of the legitimacy of the awards, the Navy is saying they were legitmately awarded and properly approved. " http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:vQvf8iZkj-wJ:qando.net/archives/… Put that in your pipe and choke on it… __ Steve .
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. > The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, > isn’t it? > Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than > John Kerry. But we’ll never know. > JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to > open THAT up again. > paul > arizona
Of course he does, he has nothing else to discuss. Lunatics do the same things over and over hoping for a differnt result. Thus goeth the political equivalent of week old dung, the DemocRAT PArty!
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The real reason for war is to make the rich, richer. The poor kids from the ghetto, barrio, and hills get killed and maimed. Object to war!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here it is folks…..this is why our sons and daughters are dying in a > far off land. Quite simply, so that we can have access to a fuel that > will very likely run out in their own lifetimes, and maybe some of ours. > I know that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy, knowing my president LIED > to us again and again…in fact, he still has not come clean about the > *real* reason for the war. > Gee….what do you think would happen, if we spent the combined > resources of the war, on perfecting an alternate and renewable fuel, > instead of spilling blood over the last few drops of oil? Hmmmmm???? > And then, when the oil does run out, we’ve perfected the new technology, > so we sell it to the world. > Golly…..that’s pretty liberal thinking, eh? > You idiots have no idea what is going on. Most of you never will, either. > I pity you. > (P.S. Don’t waste your time responding, unless you want to see your own > words. I’m out of here….) > Secret US plans for Iraq’s oil > The Bush administration made plans for war and for Iraq’s oil before the > 9/11 attacks, sparking a policy battle between neo-cons and Big Oil, > BBC’s Newsnight has revealed. > Two years ago today – when President George Bush announced US, British > and Allied forces would begin to bomb Baghdad – protesters claimed the > US had a secret plan for Iraq’s oil once Saddam had been conquered. > In fact there were two conflicting plans, setting off a hidden policy > war between neo-conservatives at the Pentagon, on one side, versus a > combination of "Big Oil" executives and US State Department "pragmatists". > "Big Oil" appears to have won. The latest plan, obtained by Newsnight > from the US State Department was, we learned, drafted with the help of > American oil industry consultants. > Insiders told Newsnight that planning began "within weeks" of Bush’s > first taking office in 2001, long before the September 11th attack on > the US. > An Iraqi-born oil industry consultant, Falah Aljibury, says he took part > in the secret meetings in California, Washington and the Middle East. He > described a State Department plan for a forced coup d’etat. > Mr Aljibury himself told Newsnight that he interviewed potential > successors to Saddam Hussein on behalf of the Bush administration. > Secret sell-off plan > The industry-favoured plan was pushed aside by a secret plan, drafted > just before the invasion in 2003, which called for the sell-off of all > of Iraq’s oil fields. The new plan was crafted by neo-conservatives > intent on using Iraq’s oil to destroy the Opec cartel through massive > increases in production above Opec quotas. > The sell-off was given the green light in a secret meeting in London > headed by Ahmed Chalabi shortly after the US entered Baghdad, according > to Robert Ebel. > Mr Ebel, a former Energy and CIA oil analyst, now a fellow at the Center > for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, told Newsnight he > flew to the London meeting at the request of the State Department. > Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan’s "back-channel" to Saddam, claims that > plans to sell off Iraq’s oil, pushed by the US-installed Governing > Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks on US and > British occupying forces. > "Insurgents used this, saying, ‘Look, you’re losing your country, you’re > losing your resources to a bunch of wealthy billionaires who want to > take you over and make your life miserable,’" said Mr Aljibury from his > home near San Francisco. > "We saw an increase in the bombing of oil facilities, pipelines, built > on the premise that privatisation is coming." > Privatisation blocked by industry > Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of > Iraq’s oil production for the US Government a month after the invasion, > stalled the sell-off scheme. > Mr Carroll told us he made it clear to Paul Bremer, the US occupation > chief who arrived in Iraq in May 2003, that: "There was to be no > privatisation of Iraqi oil resources or facilities while I was involved." > Ariel Cohen, of the neo-conservative Heritage Foundation, told Newsnight > that an opportunity had been missed to privatise Iraq’s oil fields. > He advocated the plan as a means to help the US defeat Opec, and said > America should have gone ahead with what he called a "no-brainer" decision. > Mr Carroll hit back, telling Newsnight, "I would agree with that > statement. To privatize would be a no-brainer. It would only be thought > about by someone with no brain." > New plans, obtained from the State Department by Newsnight and Harper’s > Magazine under the US Freedom of Information Act, called for creation of > a state-owned oil company favoured by the US oil industry. It was > completed in January 2004 under the guidance of Amy Jaffe of the James > Baker Institute in Texas. > Formerly US Secretary of State, Baker is now an attorney representing > Exxon-Mobil and the Saudi Arabian government. > View segments of Iraq oil plans at www.GregPalast.com > <http://www.gregpalast.com/opeconthemarch.html> > Questioned by Newsnight, Ms Jaffe said the oil industry prefers state > control of Iraq’s oil over a sell-off because it fears a repeat of > Russia’s energy privatisation. In the wake of the collapse of the Soviet > Union, US oil companies were barred from bidding for the reserves. > Ms Jaffe says US oil companies are not warm to any plan that would > undermine Opec and the current high oil price: "I’m not sure that if I’m > the chair of an American company, and you put me on a lie detector test, > I would say high oil prices are bad for me or my company." > The former Shell oil boss agrees. In Houston, he told Newsnight: "Many > neo conservatives are people who have certain ideological beliefs about > markets, about democracy, about this, that and the other. International > oil companies, without exception, are very pragmatic commercial > organizations. They don’t have a theology." > A State Department spokesman told Newsnight they intended "to provide > all possibilities to the Oil Ministry of Iraq and advocate none". > Greg Palast’s film – the result of a joint investigation by Newsnight > and Harper’s Magazine – will be broadcast on Thursday, 17 March, 2005.
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> JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals.
You are a lying fuck.
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> JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. > You are a lying fuck.
heh heh. more evidence that truth pisses you guys off. the reason it hurts, is because you know that its true. he lied to get the medals, and he then backstabbed his fellow GI’s who HAD served honorably. and you guys cant stand it. its a good day. paul American!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. > > The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, > > isn’t it? > > Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than > > John Kerry. But we’ll never know. > JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to > open THAT up again. > More bald-faced assertions. Lies, actually. Here’s a quote, and a link: > " But in terms of the legitimacy of the awards, the Navy is saying they > were > legitmately awarded and properly approved. " > http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:vQvf8iZkj-wJ:qando.net/archives/… > Put that in your pipe and choke on it… > __ > Steve
you are pretty hung up on links. i clicked on yours and read what was said. (there was nothing about whether he EARNED them, only that they and been AWARDED in a proper manner). now lets see if you can do the same for me. click on the link and watch the videos. amazing stuff, but then you wont do that, because you are a typical liberal coward who only wants to attack, and not include any aspect of debate. now go and prove me wrong. http://www.swiftvetsandpows.com/swiftvetsandpows/ if you DO watch the videos, i would love to hear your opinion of your great hero then. post it here. dont choke on that pipe of yours there, steve. paul az
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do i know you? i dont think so. oh well, the navy has profferred NO opinion as to whether JOhn KErry earned those medals or whether he lied to get them, and you know it. http://www.swiftvetsandpows.com/swiftvetsandpows/ watch the video’s, then go crawl back under your rock. the American people have already ruled on this issue. paul az
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> He (Bush) qualified for Fighter Aircraft. >> The it’s a damn shame he was too much of a chicken to serve in combat, >> isn’t it? >> Who knows? If he’d had some balls be might have gotten more medals than >> John Kerry. But we’ll never know. >JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. you DON’T want to >open THAT up again. > The U.S. Navy disagrees, > after years of false > accusations Kerry’s > medals are still his. > End of story. > Posted via TITANnews – Uncensored Newsgroups Access > >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< > -=Every Newsgroup – Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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> >> JOhn KErry lied cheated and worse to get those medals. > You are a lying fuck. > heh heh
Okay. You’re a laughing, lying fuck.
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> Ironic in that you can sue businesses ,but not government for 
> daestrom > – > Seen this in where, on the Saguenay river, the plant inflow was about > 50,000cfs, spillage was between 100,000 and 200,000 cfs and tailrace level > was about 15 ft above normal. Somewhere I still have pictures of this. Up on > the Lac St. John, the main reservoir of the system, the farmers have their > own gauges and are eager to sue if the water level is too high. > — > Don Kelly > remove the urine to answer 